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Friday, March 24, 2006

Being Mevatel everything outside of the Torah

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The biggest criticism I have regarding the chinuch that I received in my b'h lengthy Yeshiva days is that which we where taught to be mevatail and denigrate anything outside of Torah and the Torah world. It is such a jaundiced and dangerous outlook! Any criticism of our community, no matter how valid, was always viewed as an attack that must be defended by going on the offensive to show that, pum fahkehrt, just the opposite, the criticisms of our critics shows their krumkeit. As by definition, whatever we do MUST be right and correct.A particular danger of this approach is that we lose the advise of 'chazal' of 'Eyzehu chacham halomeid meKol Adam'. Since we are not perfect, we lose the ability to improve ourselves by accepting valid criticisms and by seeing what other's are doing right.A Rebbe of mine (who I still love and respect) once during a shmooz, was very critical of noted humanitarian (Dr. Schweitzer) who raised money for his clinic in Africa by giving concerts around the world. My Rebbe claimed that he could have spent the whole year giving concerts which would have raised more money to send 100 doctors to Africa - but he wanted to be the hero doctor, so he would rather stay in Africa most of the year and fundraise just to support his clinic. He attributed this to Gayvah.The criticism might be correct - but does this make Dr. Schweitzer worse than the rest of us who just stay home and do nothing? Not raise money nor go and heal people? So instead of looking to Dr. Schweitzer as a source of inspiration, all we are left with is denigration and no chance for inspiration to follow in his footsteps (or those of the famed Dr. Wallach of Sha'arei Chesed hospital.)

37 Comments:

  • At 3/27/2006 1:27 PM, Blogger Leapa said…

    The Torah is so big . . . I never understand why chazals such as 'if they say there is chochma among the goyim, believe', or the various dinim of dinei d'malchuso din are almost denigrated. At the same time, the greatness of Torah and Jews are (rightfully) emphasized. But one without the other leads to a warped view.

    It's like telling a chasan about the importance of a husband, but not how to treat a wife!

    I also feel there's some connection between this and my last post. (frumnet.blogspot.com)

     
  • At 3/27/2006 2:46 PM, Blogger J said…

    It takes a level of sophistication and tension to maintain such beliefs (chochma baGoyim Ta'amin) along with other tenents of Yidishkeit that extol our uniqueness. To denigrate the rest removes the tension which makes it easier to live as a frum Jew, albeit falsely.

     
  • At 4/10/2006 7:13 AM, Anonymous ליטוואק said…

    Welcome back to posting after a long hiatus. I had thought the blog was history, but it's nice to see it come back to life.

    A linguistic comment here - "pum fahkehrt" - should be 'punkt farkert'. Punkt means exactly. I think the root of the word, punkt, is the same as punct in the English words, punctual, punctuate, puncture. Also related to the English word point, I think.

    So I see that your Yeshiva didn't convey to you precisely correct Yiddish either, even the few words/expressions you may have picked up. So just like they were somewhat lacking in that, evidently they were lacking in precision in some Torah teachings as well.

    Rav Gifter z"l told Rav Frand to be careful to use proper (excellent?) English (mentioned in hakdama to Rav Frand in print - Artscroll, IIRC), as that would be a kiddush Hashem. I assume same would go for proper Yiddish. But lichayre same could be said for precision/accuracy in general, because once people slide in one area, such attitude of carelessness and i hakpodo, can bleed over to other areas (in addition to intrinsic value of doing things right bichlal).

     
  • At 4/10/2006 9:10 PM, Blogger J said…

    Mr. Litvak:
    I happy that I was missed. I seemed to have had one or two posters on my blog - was not sure who else was reading it. But with vacation, overworking at work, my chavrusas actually showing up, this blog started dropping on my priority list.

    Your critique of my Yiddish is accepted. I will plead 'guilty due to lack of an education' as my almost all of my Yeshivos have been English-speaking. The Yiddish spoken by Rabbeim at NIRC was it own breed. So yes, I always thought that it was Puhn Fakert, but I am duly noting your etymological insight that it should be 'Punkt'.

    Your extension of this lack of knowledge on my part re Yiddish to the rest of the knowledge imparted to me in Yeshiva is a 'low blow' but I will take it like a man! If I can't defend my Learning on this blog then I deserve to be criticised. But you don't give any examples of this, so I can't/don't need to defend myself.

    But lichayre same could be said for precision/accuracy in general, because once people slide in one area, such attitude of carelessness and i hakpodo, can bleed over to other areas

    First, I pronounce it 'Lichorah'. Second, you where 'mechaven' to a 'zug' I believe from 'Kelm' but I can't recall for sure, where they said "If you where a crooked tie, you will say a crooked 'sevara'"

     
  • At 4/12/2006 8:23 AM, Anonymous ליטוואק said…

    "Your extension of this lack of knowledge on my part re Yiddish to the rest of the knowledge imparted to me in Yeshiva is a 'low blow' but I will take it like a man! If I can't defend my Learning on this blog then I deserve to be criticised. But you don't give any examples of this, so I can't/don't need to defend myself."

    Dear J -

    I didn't mean to paint with that broad of a brush. I was thinking of deficiencies like some you yourself have mentioned here, such as excessive denigration of the outside world and not relating Torah sufficiently to current events and situations.

    I think that you are a thinking person who makes important points at times and that is why I have visited this blog. Just because you may not get that many hits and comments here, doesn't mean that what you say isn't important. If you would be sensationalistic like some other bloggers you might get more hits, but at what price ?

    Hatzlocho.

     
  • At 9/27/2006 6:47 PM, Blogger The back of the hill said…

    Regarding pum farkehrt / punkt farkehrt: In Dutch, the exact phrase would be 'punt verkeert' (punt fur-keerd).

    No longer a common locution, but not so rare as to be unknown. A few of my teachers used it.

     
  • At 9/27/2006 6:51 PM, Blogger The back of the hill said…

    Hmmm, characterizing Dr. Schweitzer as a baal geivah is perhaps a bit of a stretch.

    Is it not possible that he realized that a few concerts would be effective, whereas many would be less likely to draw a crowd?

     
  • At 9/28/2006 11:01 AM, Blogger J said…

    Sure it is possible. I guess RYW's point was that he could have raised funds full time and hired other doctors to do the doctoring and that would have been more effective.

    My point is.... so what? That's a wonderfull Kasha on him. But in the end of the day, he was there helping people while 99.9% of us are busy helping ourselves.

    And even if he did enjoy being the savior to the natives, great! he used his 'bad' midda for good!

     
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